
Newegg was running a sale on these a few days ago and I got a 4 GB Fuze for $39.99 and free shipping:
The geek in me had to have it just for the Ogg Vorbis support even though I had a bad experience with the Sansa View. Long story short, the View has sluggish performance, buggy firmware, and limited format support. (WMA “Standard” codec, and MP3 for audio, and h.264 for video)
MP3 has been an incredibly resilient audio standard since it was introduced in 1991, and has gone on to be the premier audio codec of nearly every online music store, sans Apple iTunes which uses the MPEG Forum’s “official upgrade” to MP3. This codec is called MPEG-4 AAC.
That having been said, MP3 its showing age and although it was an acceptable format 10 years ago, times change, formats improve, and out with the old. AAC is not the only thing you can replace it with though. MP3 is far from efficient even with the best encoders, it has severe limitations that just cannot be fixed without breaking decoding compatibility. This is why AAC has been standardized by the MPEG Forum, and it’s probably the second most likely format to be supported in hardware after MP3 and WMA “Standard”. (Tied for devices supported, but there’s no real customer demand for WMA, Microsoft just muscles it onto every player.)
This is where things get sticky, because Microsoft also just so happened to develop an MP3 competitor (if you can call it that) called Windows Media Audio. Most WMA files use the original codec because it’s the only WMA codec that has any kind of hardware support outside of the Zune, which also supports WMA Professional and Lossless with some limitations (2 channel stereo, 44.1 Khz playback). This may limit you if you use a stereo dock. Even though WMA Standard is promoted by Microsoft as “Better than MP3″, this is just patently untrue, and for this reason and the issue of having an undocumented proprietary format and only one encoder (Microsoft’s), even Windows die hards are better off just pretending Windows Media Audio never existed.
The last codec on the list (I saved the best) is Ogg Vorbis. Ogg Vorbis is fully documented, unpatented, public domain, royalty free, and open source, and otherwise all forms of “Do anything you want with it, and nobody even has to pay us”. Even though Ogg Vorbis is clearly superior to even the best of its competition (AAC), and doesn’t cost anything to license, it has had slow uptake due to not having a major corporate backer that can bribe hardware makers, and not having the mind share of MP3. But trust me when I say that out of all the codecs promising “Same quality as MP3 at around half the bitrate”, Vorbis is the only one that really delivers.
I’ve gauged all popular codecs for transparency with the CD source and here’s what I came up with:
(Terminology: VBR = Variable Bitrate / CBR= Constant Bitrate. Most encoders use VBR quality settings to provide consistent quality throughout the file, and you should use this if at all possible with very rare exception. Modern codecs (AAC and Vorbis) are not designed to operate in CBR mode and you really should never try it. Obviously, the higher the bitrate in each given codec, the better the audio technically sounds, but file size also increases. There’s a point of diminishing returns where you won’t want to go any further and an average person could not tell the CD from the lossy file, this is what “transparency” means. The codec which can achieve transparency with the lowest bitrate is there fore the “best” codec.)
Lame MP3 at VBR setting 0: Average bitrate is 270-300kbps, you hardly save anything vs. 320kbps CBR (and honestly may as well just use that to err on the side of caution. Other MP3 encoders do not achieve transparency for me at any bitrate.
WMA “Standard” 9.2 at VBR q98: At this point the artifacts are gone and it sounds about like the CD, the problem is the files average about 350 kbps.
AAC: VBR at q 0.60: At this point, you get transparency good frequency response and the bitrate is around 225 kbps.
Ogg Vorbis with the AoTuv encoder: VBR quality 5 gives transparency and excellent frequency response, the bitrate will be averaging 160 kbps (!!!) Don’t use the official libvorbis encoder as AoTuv is a highly optimized fork and you will always get better results.
Despite marketing claims, there are no codecs which deliver transparency at 128 kbps. AoTuv’s Vorbis encoder does better than any of the rest.
(BTW, at low streaming bitrates, Vorbis at q3 (~112kbps) or q4 (~128 kbps) will give you the file sizes necessary without the warbling and other distortions of competing codecs.)
I apologize for the long primer, but these are the audio codecs supported by the Sansa Fuze:
It took me a while to re-rip all of my CDs in Ogg Vorbis q5 (I have a lot of CDs!), and I’m still not done, but I estimate Vorbis is not only saving me between 30-50 megs per CD vs MP3 at Lame V0, but also slightly higher quality.
Which brings me to the Sansa Fuze:
After the disastrous experience with the Sansa View, I was not really sure I wanted to buy another Sansa product, I was pretty underwhelmed by that thing. The price was right on the Fuze and it claimed Ogg Vorbis support, so I bought it, and I’m not regretting it so far.
The Sansa View was giving me the following problems with firmware alone:
Sluggish menu browsing.
Rebuilding the database every time you add a few CDs worth of music to it took forever.
Sometimes eats the database for no reason.
Sometimes it doesn’t update the free space remaining when you delete files. (Requires a format to fix this)
Mass Storage Class transfer mode support was only added in a firmware update *after* it was released and anything you added in this mode, the player failed to organize into album playlists automatically, meaning you had to fall back to Microsoft’s Media Transfer Protocol, which is not exceptionally friendly to anything but Windows. (Linux has extremely spotty support for it and the Mac doesn’t know what it is at all).
Finally, it would play AAC audio files, but always in the wrong order due to an incomplete tag reader. The player had to have the AAC audio codec because it’s what most h.264 videos use, but they crippled playback of AAC audio files to get out of paying for playback royalties and patent licenses. Since MSC mode never works right, and you more or less have to use it in MTP mode anyway, that means Windows Media Player was the only way to properly sync the fucking thing, Windows Media Player doesn’t even know what AAC is and even if you have Windows 7 and WMP *does* know what AAC is, the device tells the player it only works with WMA or MP3 so Windows Media Player will “sync” it by transcoding all your AAC files into WMA. (AGGGHHHH!!!!)
No Ogg Vorbis support.
Personally, I think the Sansa View was such a shoddy device that they should apologize by giving anyone that actually bought one at list price a free Fuze.
In contrast to the View, the Sansa Fuze gives you:
Menus don’t lag.
Doesn’t eat the database, free space updates properly.
Proper MSC support which you should select as soon as you power the unit on. MTP is some nasty, nasty shit.
In MSC mode, you can drop your music folders onto the device’s MUSIC folder and next time you power it on, it’ll figure out the playlist by itself provided you tagged the files properly, it also supports folder hierarchies so you can organize your folders like /MUSIC/Metallica/Ride The Lightning, this drove the View firmware even nuttier but it works now.
Album art: Include the thumbnail for the album art in the appropriate folders as a jpg file and the Fuze will display it.
Proper support for all AAC profiles (including High Efficiency AAC if you must). Proper support for Ogg Vorbis. Proper support for FLAC in or out of an Ogg container (lossless compressed files, but these are massive).
Linux and Mac friendly (in MSC mode). Previous Sansa players have been pretty much dependent on Windows.
Smaller, lighter, and longer lasting battery.
The internal storage can be expanded with Micro SD or Micro SDHC (High Capacity) cards, they’ll show up as two removable drives should you plug a card in and mount it in MSC mode, just make a separate “MUSIC” VIDEO” and “PICTURES” folder on the card. The View supported Micro SD/HC cards and I retasked the 16 gig card from my View for use in the Fuze. (Formatted it first).
The FM tuner has about 50% better range.
All and all, this really is a lot of player for my $40. I recommend it to anyone, especially if you use Ogg Vorbis and want a reputable brand of player that supports Ogg Vorbis or FLAC (Not many name brands do and the ones that do tend to be far more expensive). So the Sansa View sucked, every company has a bad product once in a while, but the Fuze is everything the View should have been and more. Vorbis is catching on, more hardware makers are throwing it in every year, and we should reward the companies that are respecting our freedom to choose above the powers that be that are pushing to maintain the status quo. (It’s free for them to do so and it makes for more happy customers)
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Side note:
In the legalese of the included instruction booklet, there’s reference to what Microsoft’s Windows Media DRM can do to your player if you have DRM’d WMA or WMV (video) files files on it.
“Content providers are using the digital rights management technology for Windows Media contained in this device (“WM-DRM”) to protect the integrity of their content (“Secure Content”), so that intellectual property, including copyright, in such content is not misappropriated. This device uses WM-DRM software to play Secure Content (“WM-DRM Software”). If the security of the WM-DRM Software on this device has been compromised, owners of Secure Content (“Secure Content Owners”) may request that Microsoft revoke the WM-DRM Software’s rights to acquire new licenses to copy, display, and/or play Secure Content. Revocation does not alter the WM-DRM Software’s ability to play unprotected content. A list of revoked WM-DRM Software is sent to your device whenever you download a license for Secure Content from the Internet or from a PC. Microsoft, may, in conjunction with such license, also download revocation lists onto your device on behalf of Secure Content Owners.”
So if you are a fool who buys DRM’d Windows Media files, and someone cracks the Windows Media DRM software on your portable, Microsoft can take control of your property and force it to not be able to play the songs you bought. Likewise, they can also revoke your license to play all of your subscription WMA files on the device. You agree to let them do this and to trojan in the blacklists whenever you think you’re just downloading songs from Rhapsody or Napster or whatever.
This invasive bullshit is enough reason to avoid Windows Media. I only want the device to play Ogg Vorbis, I would have paid them extra to not include Microsoft stuff on my player. :P
Every player does this though unless you’re using custom firmware like Rockbox. You just can’t have a garden without a few of Microsoft’s stinging nettles popping up, can you?